09-Dec-2008 -- This one was not too bad from the OR side, atv the fire road for about 4 miles and then a 200 ft hike downhill through fairly open forest and a lot of rocks, I took my Mom Carol with on this one, she had a lot of fun, although she did not hike down to the confluence... she's 72. Got lucky on the weather, I have a feeling this is usually very snowy in Dec.